Full thread (10 messages)
From: Petr Pařízek (2010-05-17)
Subject: Something for your ears again
Hi there,
let me tell you something ... Today, for the first time ever, I was finally
able to play my "triharmonic" scale which I first thought of back in 2006
and "classified" in 2008! (Indeed, it's been that long since.) At that time,
I had no option to try it out. But today, someone was showing me some
software synths at school. And together we found that one of them actually
supported MTS. So I made some MIDI files with Scala and sent them to that
synth. And it worked. The only problem was that there was a delay of more
than 100 ms in the output so I had to be very careful when playing (or
trying to play) faster passages on the MIDI keyboard. Finally, we picked up
something like a filtered sawtooth sound (sorry for the loud overtones, I
just wanted them to be clearly audible). We even didn't use any reverb or
other "spatial enhancing" effects. FYI: These are absolute improvs, I made a
few obvious mistakes while playing, but you know how it is ... I was just
so-o-o-o happy that I could play those non-octave scales ... Anyway, here is
the result: http://www.box.net/shared/cg17y5ggku
Petr
From: genewardsmith (2010-05-17)
Subject: Re: Something for your ears again
--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Petr PaÅÃzek wrote:
But today, someone was showing me some
> software synths at school. And together we found that one of them actually
> supported MTS. So I made some MIDI files with Scala and sent them to that
> synth. And it worked.
I take it you mean a keyboard file, not a mid file using MTS. If anyone knows of a softsynth which will render a midi file which uses MTS, I'd be interested to hear of it. There is an unfortunate prejudice in favor of keyboards with softsynths, it seems to me. But the world of music has always been harsh on we spaz people.
Anyway, here is
> the result: http://www.box.net/shared/cg17y5ggku
Do you have Scala scale files for the scales used?
From: Marcel de Velde (2010-05-17)
Subject: Re: [tuning] Re: Something for your ears again
Hi Gene,
I take it you mean a keyboard file, not a mid file using MTS. If anyone
> knows of a softsynth which will render a midi file which uses MTS, I'd be
> interested to hear of it. There is an unfortunate prejudice in favor of
> keyboards with softsynths, it seems to me. But the world of music has always
> been harsh on we spaz people.
>
I guess you missed my previous reply to this same question a while ago.
The only softsynth that'll play MTS midi files is Timidity++
And as I said back then aswell, I'm thinking of starting a
petition/promotion thing for MTS where people can write their name or
something and after a while a mail is sent to all synth companies (hard and
soft) asking them if they're willing to use MTS in their products.
If more synths would support MTS it would be great. MTS can do everything
anybody ever wants microtonally without any drawbacks.
Marcel
From: Carl Lumma (2010-05-17)
Subject: Re: Something for your ears again
--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Petr PaÅÃzek wrote:
> Anyway, here is
> the result: http://www.box.net/shared/cg17y5ggku
>
> Petr
That nonoctave marvel is something else! -Carl
From: Petr Pařízek (2010-05-18)
Subject: Re: Something for your ears again
Gene wrote:
> I take it you mean a keyboard file, not a mid file using MTS. If anyone
> knows of
> a softsynth which will render a midi file which uses MTS, I'd be
> interested to
> hear of it. There is an unfortunate prejudice in favor of keyboards with
> softsynths, it seems to me. But the world of music has always been harsh
> on we
> spaz people.
#1. I'm not sure what you mean by a "keyboard file".
#2. It's Native Instruments Pro-53. Actually, I don't know which version of
Scala you use, but if you type "Show synth", not only does it show the
available formats but it also shows, towards the end of the list, names of
some instruments which support MTS -- and NI Pro-53 is one of them.
> Do you have Scala scale files for the scales used?
I'll send them in my next message.
Petr
From: Petr Pařízek (2010-05-18)
Subject: Re: Something for your ears again
> That nonoctave marvel is something else! -Carl
I've checked the file names many times and I can say with certainty that all
of them are correct, including the non-octave marvel.
Anyway, here are the scales for better understanding:
! triharma.scl
!
The triharmonic scale
20
!
99.53378
257.54248
357.07625
456.61003
614.61873
714.15251
8/5
971.69498
1071.22876
1170.76254
1328.77124
1428.30502
5/2
1685.84749
1785.38127
1943.38997
2042.92375
2142.45752
2300.46622
4/1
! nomar3a.scl
!
Non-octave marvel
5
!
115.58705
231.17409
268.79879
384.38583
499.97288
! breedhf.scl
!
Breed with a half-fifth period
4
!
84.22679
168.45359
266.75071
350.97750
Petr
From: Carl Lumma (2010-05-18)
Subject: Re: Something for your ears again
--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Petr Paøízek wrote:
>
> > That nonoctave marvel is something else! -Carl
>
> I've checked the file names many times and I can say with
> certainty that all of them are correct, including the non-octave
> marvel.
Heh, this took me a second. It is an idiom, which means,
something good!
By the way, I was visiting the official Chernobyl power plant
website while I listened to that track. The theme went
perfectly, with the artwork and sculpture there now, against
the abandoned buildings of Pripyat. Did you know that two of
the four reactors at the plant continued operations -- continued
to produce electricity -- in the 16 years following the accident
(1986-2000)?
-Carl
From: Chris Vaisvil (2010-05-18)
Subject: Re: [tuning] Something for your ears again
Very cool! Am I right in thinking I'm hearing "periodicity buzz" in
some of the chords?
Chris
2010/5/17 Petr Pařízek
>
>
>
> Hi there,
>
> let me tell you something ... Today, for the first time ever, I was finally
> able to play my "triharmonic" scale which I first thought of back in 2006
> and "classified" in 2008! (Indeed, it's been that long since.) At that time,
> I had no option to try it out. But today, someone was showing me some
> software synths at school. And together we found that one of them actually
> supported MTS. So I made some MIDI files with Scala and sent them to that
> synth. And it worked. The only problem was that there was a delay of more
> than 100 ms in the output so I had to be very careful when playing (or
> trying to play) faster passages on the MIDI keyboard. Finally, we picked up
> something like a filtered sawtooth sound (sorry for the loud overtones, I
> just wanted them to be clearly audible). We even didn't use any reverb or
> other "spatial enhancing" effects. FYI: These are absolute improvs, I made a
> few obvious mistakes while playing, but you know how it is ... I was just
> so-o-o-o happy that I could play those non-octave scales ... Anyway, here is
> the result: http://www.box.net/shared/cg17y5ggku
>
> Petr
From: Petr Pařízek (2010-05-18)
Subject: Re: [tuning] Something for your ears again
Hi Chris,
yes, that was the primary intention I had in my mind when making the actual
temperaments. :-)
Petr
From: Ozan Yarman (2010-05-23)
Subject: Re: [tuning] Something for your ears again
These are very good. I had forgotten they were by you when I got
around to listening them now... and I thought I recognized your usage
of chords and timbres! Having read Breed on the file name, I said to
myself, why was this from Graham? It looks as if he started composing
like Petr Parizek! Hah hah.
Very high latency such as that ruins my playing. I cannot keep pace
when my ear is accustomed to wait for the response that is not yet
there. It's a weird disorientation!
Oz.
✩ ✩ ✩
www.ozanyarman.com
On May 17, 2010, at 7:58 PM, Petr Pařízek wrote:
> Hi there,
>
> let me tell you something ... Today, for the first time ever, I was
> finally
> able to play my "triharmonic" scale which I first thought of back in
> 2006
> and "classified" in 2008! (Indeed, it's been that long since.) At
> that time,
> I had no option to try it out. But today, someone was showing me some
> software synths at school. And together we found that one of them
> actually
> supported MTS. So I made some MIDI files with Scala and sent them to
> that
> synth. And it worked. The only problem was that there was a delay of
> more
> than 100 ms in the output so I had to be very careful when playing (or
> trying to play) faster passages on the MIDI keyboard. Finally, we
> picked up
> something like a filtered sawtooth sound (sorry for the loud
> overtones, I
> just wanted them to be clearly audible). We even didn't use any
> reverb or
> other "spatial enhancing" effects. FYI: These are absolute improvs,
> I made a
> few obvious mistakes while playing, but you know how it is ... I was
> just
> so-o-o-o happy that I could play those non-octave scales ... Anyway,
> here is
> the result: http://www.box.net/shared/cg17y5ggku
>
> Petr
>