Topic: Some 23-EDO Stuff
2 scales
| File | Description | Notes | Period (ยข) |
|---|---|---|---|
| igs | Seven notes of myna in 89et | 7 | 1200.0 |
| myna23_makemicromusic_27704_27727 | Myna[23] in 89et tuning | 23 | 1200.0 |
Thread (13 messages)
From: cityoftheasleep (2011-04-19) Subject: Some 23-EDO Stuff Hey all, just posted a new "video" to my YouTube channel demonstrating some of the main heptatonic MOS scales found in 23-EDO. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hqst8MaRiYM They're just rough little improvs, they don't really go anywhere, but they do give a fair impression of some of the moods of these scales. In order, the scales I used are: 3343334, 5225252, 3335333, and 5151515. The first is a form of Mavila temperament, but it's very different in character from 16-EDO. I like this version better, actually...it feels more consonant. The second is sort of a cross-breed of Dicot and Father, where the generator is a very flat major 3rd and two of them form a very sharp fifth. It's improper and that leads to some pretty interesting consequences, like a minor 3rd being a 9/8 while the major 2nd is a 7/6. The third is superficially reminiscent of Porcupine[7] but the harmonies are very different--two generators is still a 6/5, but four is either a 10/7 or a 13/9 (depending on your mood) instead of a 16/11, five is an 11/7 instead of 8/5, and 6 is a 12/7 instead of a 7/4. The fourth scale is maybe Myna temperament, maybe not (depending on whether you're listening to Graham Breed or Paul Erlich). The generator is a 6/5 and two of them gets you a 10/7, but the approximations to the 3rd and 5th harmonics are, uh, "questionable". I don't know why anyone would use it for full 7-limit harmony but it's pretty solid as a 2.5/3.7/3 subgroup. The scale itself is pretty out-there, though...it sounds kind of like two diminished chords tuned a quarter-tone apart, but I kind of love the shimmering "double minor" effect of playing a 6/5 and a 7/6 simultaneously. Well, enjoy! (Or not) -Igs
From: Jake Freivald (2011-04-19) Subject: Re: [MMM] Some 23-EDO Stuff Igs, I know these were just designed to "give a fair impression of some of the moods of these scales", but they were really good and interesting. Thanks for posting them. I especially liked the second one. Regards, Jake > Hey all, just posted a new "video" to my YouTube channel demonstrating > some of the main heptatonic MOS scales found in 23-EDO. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hqst8MaRiYM > [snip] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
From: Chris Vaisvil (2011-04-19) Subject: Re: [MMM] Some 23-EDO Stuff I like the last one best myself. On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 10:24 PM, cityoftheasleep <igliashon@...>wrote: > > > Hey all, just posted a new "video" to my YouTube channel demonstrating some > of the main heptatonic MOS scales found in 23-EDO. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hqst8MaRiYM > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
From: genewardsmith (2011-04-19) Subject: Re: [MMM] Some 23-EDO Stuff --- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...> wrote: > > I like the last one best myself. Same here, and I was wondering what it would sound in in other versions of Myna[7], presuming I can call this a version of Myna[7].
From: Herman Miller (2011-04-20) Subject: Re: [MMM] Some 23-EDO Stuff On 4/18/2011 10:24 PM, cityoftheasleep wrote: > Hey all, just posted a new "video" to my YouTube channel > demonstrating some of the main heptatonic MOS scales found in > 23-EDO. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hqst8MaRiYM Nice use of a tuning that doesn't get much attention (and usually as a mavila temperament when it does). > They're just rough little improvs, they don't really go anywhere, but > they do give a fair impression of some of the moods of these scales. > In order, the scales I used are: > > 3343334, 5225252, 3335333, and 5151515. The first is a form of > Mavila temperament, but it's very different in character from 16-EDO. > I like this version better, actually...it feels more consonant. The > second is sort of a cross-breed of Dicot and Father, where the > generator is a very flat major 3rd and two of them form a very sharp > fifth. It's improper and that leads to some pretty interesting > consequences, like a minor 3rd being a 9/8 while the major 2nd is a > 7/6. The third is superficially reminiscent of Porcupine[7] but the > harmonies are very different--two generators is still a 6/5, but four > is either a 10/7 or a 13/9 (depending on your mood) instead of a > 16/11, five is an 11/7 instead of 8/5, and 6 is a 12/7 instead of a > 7/4. The fourth scale is maybe Myna temperament, maybe not > (depending on whether you're listening to Graham Breed or Paul > Erlich). The generator is a 6/5 and two of them gets you a 10/7, but > the approximations to the 3rd and 5th harmonics are, uh,! > "questionable". I don't know why anyone would use it for full > 7-limit harmony but it's pretty solid as a 2.5/3.7/3 subgroup. The > scale itself is pretty out-there, though...it sounds kind of like two > diminished chords tuned a quarter-tone apart, but I kind of love the > shimmering "double minor" effect of playing a 6/5 and a 7/6 > simultaneously. Essentially in the fourth scale you're tempering out 126/125, so it's a starling temperament of some kind. Keemun also fits your description, and it's simpler than myna. 7/6, 6/5, and 10/7 are mapped the same in keemun and myna, but 5/4 and 3/2 are more reasonably mapped for 23-edo.
From: Carl Lumma (2011-04-20) Subject: Re: [MMM] Some 23-EDO Stuff Love the format and enjoyed the tunes. Thanks for putting it together. -Carl At 07:24 PM 4/18/2011, you wrote: >Hey all, just posted a new "video" to my YouTube channel demonstrating >some of the main heptatonic MOS scales found in 23-EDO. > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hqst8MaRiYM > >They're just rough little improvs, they don't really go anywhere, but >they do give a fair impression of some of the moods of these scales. >In order, the scales I used are: > >3343334, 5225252, 3335333, and 5151515. The first is a form of Mavila >temperament, but it's very different in character from 16-EDO. I like >this version better, actually...it feels more consonant. The second >is sort of a cross-breed of Dicot and Father, where the generator is a >very flat major 3rd and two of them form a very sharp fifth. It's >improper and that leads to some pretty interesting consequences, like >a minor 3rd being a 9/8 while the major 2nd is a 7/6. The third is >superficially reminiscent of Porcupine[7] but the harmonies are very >different--two generators is still a 6/5, but four is either a 10/7 or >a 13/9 (depending on your mood) instead of a 16/11, five is an 11/7 >instead of 8/5, and 6 is a 12/7 instead of a 7/4. The fourth scale is >maybe Myna temperament, maybe not (depending on whether you're >listening to Graham Breed or Paul Erlich). The generator is a 6/5 and >two of them gets you a 10/7, but the approximations to the 3rd and 5th >harmonics are, uh, "questionable". I don't know why anyone would use >it for full 7-limit harmony but it's pretty solid as a 2.5/3.7/3 >subgroup. The scale itself is pretty out-there, though...it sounds >kind of like two diminished chords tuned a quarter-tone apart, but I >kind of love the shimmering "double minor" effect of playing a 6/5 and >a 7/6 simultaneously. > >Well, enjoy! (Or not) > >-Igs >
From: manuphonic (2011-04-21) Subject: Re: Some 23-EDO Stuff Hi Igs. I liked this a lot & shared it on Facebook, where a couple of musicians I know began asking about the instrumentation. What'd you play this on? MLV aka Manu Phonic --- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "cityoftheasleep" <igliashon@...> wrote: > > Hey all, just posted a new "video" to my YouTube channel demonstrating some of the main heptatonic MOS scales found in 23-EDO. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hqst8MaRiYM > > They're just rough little improvs, they don't really go anywhere, but they do give a fair impression of some of the moods of these scales. In order, the scales I used are: > > 3343334, 5225252, 3335333, and 5151515. The first is a form of Mavila temperament, but it's very different in character from 16-EDO. I like this version better, actually...it feels more consonant. The second is sort of a cross-breed of Dicot and Father, where the generator is a very flat major 3rd and two of them form a very sharp fifth. It's improper and that leads to some pretty interesting consequences, like a minor 3rd being a 9/8 while the major 2nd is a 7/6. The third is superficially reminiscent of Porcupine[7] but the harmonies are very different--two generators is still a 6/5, but four is either a 10/7 or a 13/9 (depending on your mood) instead of a 16/11, five is an 11/7 instead of 8/5, and 6 is a 12/7 instead of a 7/4. The fourth scale is maybe Myna temperament, maybe not (depending on whether you're listening to Graham Breed or Paul Erlich). The generator is a 6/5 and two of them gets you a 10/7, but the approximations to the 3rd and 5th harmonics are, uh, "questionable". I don't know why anyone would use it for full 7-limit harmony but it's pretty solid as a 2.5/3.7/3 subgroup. The scale itself is pretty out-there, though...it sounds kind of like two diminished chords tuned a quarter-tone apart, but I kind of love the shimmering "double minor" effect of playing a 6/5 and a 7/6 simultaneously. > > Well, enjoy! (Or not) > > -Igs >
From: cityoftheasleep (2011-04-21)
Subject: Re: Some 23-EDO Stuff
--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "manuphonic" <manuphonic@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Igs. I liked this a lot & shared it on Facebook, where a couple of musicians I know >began asking about the instrumentation. What'd you play this on?
Hi MLV ("Major League Vaseball"?), thanks for the listen and share. My setup for that piece is just my little M-Audio Axiom 25 into Logic, using the EXS24 sampler plug-in. Super basic mildly cheezy fake guitar sounds have to hold me over until I get my 23-EDO axe from Ron Sword (hopefully by summer time).
-Igs
From: cityoftheasleep (2011-04-21) Subject: Re: [MMM] Some 23-EDO Stuff Thanks for the listen! -Igs --- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, Carl Lumma <carl@...> wrote: > > Love the format and enjoyed the tunes. Thanks for putting > it together. -Carl > > At 07:24 PM 4/18/2011, you wrote: > >Hey all, just posted a new "video" to my YouTube channel demonstrating > >some of the main heptatonic MOS scales found in 23-EDO. > > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hqst8MaRiYM > > > >They're just rough little improvs, they don't really go anywhere, but > >they do give a fair impression of some of the moods of these scales. > >In order, the scales I used are: > > > >3343334, 5225252, 3335333, and 5151515. The first is a form of Mavila > >temperament, but it's very different in character from 16-EDO. I like > >this version better, actually...it feels more consonant. The second > >is sort of a cross-breed of Dicot and Father, where the generator is a > >very flat major 3rd and two of them form a very sharp fifth. It's > >improper and that leads to some pretty interesting consequences, like > >a minor 3rd being a 9/8 while the major 2nd is a 7/6. The third is > >superficially reminiscent of Porcupine[7] but the harmonies are very > >different--two generators is still a 6/5, but four is either a 10/7 or > >a 13/9 (depending on your mood) instead of a 16/11, five is an 11/7 > >instead of 8/5, and 6 is a 12/7 instead of a 7/4. The fourth scale is > >maybe Myna temperament, maybe not (depending on whether you're > >listening to Graham Breed or Paul Erlich). The generator is a 6/5 and > >two of them gets you a 10/7, but the approximations to the 3rd and 5th > >harmonics are, uh, "questionable". I don't know why anyone would use > >it for full 7-limit harmony but it's pretty solid as a 2.5/3.7/3 > >subgroup. The scale itself is pretty out-there, though...it sounds > >kind of like two diminished chords tuned a quarter-tone apart, but I > >kind of love the shimmering "double minor" effect of playing a 6/5 and > >a 7/6 simultaneously. > > > >Well, enjoy! (Or not) > > > >-Igs > > >
From: cityoftheasleep (2011-04-21) Subject: Re: [MMM] Some 23-EDO Stuff --- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "genewardsmith" <genewardsmith@...> wrote: > Same here, and I was wondering what it would sound in in other versions of Myna[7], > presuming I can call this a version of Myna[7]. You can call it whatever you like, just don't call it late for dinner! If you want, I can retune it and upload just that part. I can imagine 27-EDO and 31-EDO working alright, although the 1-step melodic interval will probably all but disappear in 31. Alternatively, 15-EDO or 19-EDO might work just fine, since it's not a terribly harmonic piece. I know they're not Myna temperaments, but they fit the scale. Post a scala file of the tuning you'd like to hear and I'll let 'er rip. -Igs
From: genewardsmith (2011-04-21) Subject: Re: [MMM] Some 23-EDO Stuff --- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "cityoftheasleep" <igliashon@...> wrote: > Post a scala file of the tuning you'd like to hear and I'll let 'er rip. Here you go: ! igs.scl ! Seven notes of myna in 89et 7 ! 269.66292 310.11236 579.77528 620.22472 889.88764 930.33708 2/1 Here's Myna[23]: ! myna23.scl ! Myna[23] in 89et tuning 23 ! 40.44944 80.89888 121.34831 229.21348 269.66292 310.11236 350.56180 391.01124 431.46067 539.32584 579.77528 620.22472 660.67416 701.12360 741.57303 849.43820 889.88764 930.33708 970.78652 1011.23596 1119.10112 1159.55056 2/1
From: manuphonic (2011-04-21)
Subject: Re: Some 23-EDO Stuff
:-) MLV = Mark L. Vines
--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "cityoftheasleep" <igliashon@...> wrote:
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> --- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "manuphonic" <manuphonic@> wrote:
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> > Hi Igs. I liked this a lot & shared it on Facebook, where a couple of musicians I know >began asking about the instrumentation. What'd you play this on?
>
> Hi MLV ("Major League Vaseball"?), thanks for the listen and share. My setup for that piece is just my little M-Audio Axiom 25 into Logic, using the EXS24 sampler plug-in. Super basic mildly cheezy fake guitar sounds have to hold me over until I get my 23-EDO axe from Ron Sword (hopefully by summer time).
>
> -Igs
>
From: cityoftheasleep (2011-04-22) Subject: Re: [MMM] Some 23-EDO Stuff --- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "genewardsmith" <genewardsmith@...> wrote: > Seven notes of myna in 89et > 7 > ! > 269.66292 > 310.11236 > 579.77528 > 620.22472 > 889.88764 > 930.33708 > 2/1 Here's the file: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MakeMicroMusic/files/Igliashon%20Jones/89versionof23Myna.mp3 The difference is very mild to my ears. Maybe even placebo effect. > Here's Myna[23]: > > ! myna23.scl > ! > Myna[23] in 89et tuning > 23 > ! > 40.44944 > 80.89888 > 121.34831 > 229.21348 > 269.66292 > 310.11236 > 350.56180 > 391.01124 > 431.46067 > 539.32584 > 579.77528 > 620.22472 > 660.67416 > 701.12360 > 741.57303 > 849.43820 > 889.88764 > 930.33708 > 970.78652 > 1011.23596 > 1119.10112 > 1159.55056 > 2/1 I can see a slight family resemblance to 23-EDO, but only in some areas. Some notes are right between two 23-EDO pitches. -Igs