Topic: Improvisation in 17-note MOS of beatles temperament
1 scales
| File | Description | Notes | Period (¢) |
|---|---|---|---|
| beatles17 | 17-note MOS of beatles temperament | 17 | 1198.2 |
Thread (14 messages)
From: Herman Miller (2010-05-31) Subject: Improvisation in 17-note MOS of beatles temperament Well, I haven't been doing much actual music lately, but I've been playing with different scales and tunings to get a feel for them. Maybe someone will get some ideas from this. http://sites.google.com/site/teamouse/beatles-improv.mp3 I start with the simple 7-note MOS of beatles temperament, followed by the 10-note MOS (as two alternating pentatonic scales), and then a more extended sequence illustrating the variety of thirds from subminor to major and neutral, giving this scale almost a blues-like quality in some parts.
From: genewardsmith (2010-05-31) Subject: Re: Improvisation in 17-note MOS of beatles temperament --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Herman Miller <hmiller@...> wrote: > http://sites.google.com/site/teamouse/beatles-improv.mp3 I tried this file out on a ton of different programs and they all seemed to think it was broken, or at least that it wasn't an mp3 file.
From: Chris (2010-05-31) Subject: Re: [tuning] Improvisation in 17-note MOS of beatles temperament Indeed this is a versitile tuning! Nice improvisation demonstrated that. Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -----Original Message----- From: Herman Miller <hmiller@...> Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 11:18:13 To: <tuning@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [tuning] Improvisation in 17-note MOS of beatles temperament Well, I haven't been doing much actual music lately, but I've been playing with different scales and tunings to get a feel for them. Maybe someone will get some ideas from this. http://sites.google.com/site/teamouse/beatles-improv.mp3 I start with the simple 7-note MOS of beatles temperament, followed by the 10-note MOS (as two alternating pentatonic scales), and then a more extended sequence illustrating the variety of thirds from subminor to major and neutral, giving this scale almost a blues-like quality in some parts.
From: Carl Lumma (2010-05-31) Subject: Re: Improvisation in 17-note MOS of beatles temperament --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "genewardsmith" <genewardsmith@...> wrote: > > --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Herman Miller <hmiller@> wrote: > > > http://sites.google.com/site/teamouse/beatles-improv.mp3 > > I tried this file out on a ton of different programs and they all > seemed to think it was broken, or at least that it wasn't an mp3 > file. That's because it isn't an mp3 file, it's a phony Google sites link. You've got an html page with an mp3 extension, which is only 4K. You have to left-click and then download from the subsequent page. -Carl
From: genewardsmith (2010-05-31) Subject: Re: Improvisation in 17-note MOS of beatles temperament --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Carl Lumma" <carl@...> wrote: > That's because it isn't an mp3 file, it's a phony Google sites > link. You've got an html page with an mp3 extension, which is > only 4K. You have to left-click and then download from the > subsequent page. -Carl Thanks Carl. DownloadHelper downloaded it and saved it as an mp3 file. Why is Google trying to be cute with this stuff? Anyway, good show Herman. You show convincingly that Beatles is both xenharmonic and reasonably harmonious, I think, though who can tell until someone does a cover of a Beatles song in it? Speaking of neutral third generators, I have a feeling we are still missing something when it comes to constructing scales with a given rank two temperament with all of this focus on MOS. I was looking at tempering the double duodene I tossed out a few days back, and it seems to me the most interesting way to do it may be with a temperament which would ordinarily be overlooked as too complex, hemiorwell. This is where you take 7-limit orwell and toss in 243/242, which splits the orwell generator in half and makes it a pretty complex looking system. And yet the 24 notes of the double duodene seem to make good use of it.
From: Chris Vaisvil (2010-05-31) Subject: Re: [tuning] Re: Improvisation in 17-note MOS of beatles temperament I searched messages (from this year) to no avail for the tuning system called Beatles - excepting the short hand I can't interpet. Could someone be kind enough to post cents or fractions or the scala file text? Thanks, Chris On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 2:45 PM, genewardsmith <genewardsmith@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > > > > --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Carl Lumma" <carl@...> wrote: > > > That's because it isn't an mp3 file, it's a phony Google sites > > link. You've got an html page with an mp3 extension, which is > > only 4K. You have to left-click and then download from the > > subsequent page. -Carl > > Thanks Carl. DownloadHelper downloaded it and saved it as an mp3 file. Why is Google trying to be cute with this stuff? > > Anyway, good show Herman. You show convincingly that Beatles is both xenharmonic and reasonably harmonious, I think, though who can tell until someone does a cover of a Beatles song in it? > > Speaking of neutral third generators, I have a feeling we are still missing something when it comes to constructing scales with a given rank two temperament with all of this focus on MOS. I was looking at tempering the double duodene I tossed out a few days back, and it seems to me the most interesting way to do it may be with a temperament which would ordinarily be overlooked as too complex, hemiorwell. This is where you take 7-limit orwell and toss in 243/242, which splits the orwell generator in half and makes it a pretty complex looking system. And yet the 24 notes of the double duodene seem to make good use of it. >
From: Chris Vaisvil (2010-05-31)
Subject: Re: [tuning] Re: Improvisation in 17-note MOS of beatles temperament
Oh wait
Is the first one Beatles?
> 27-EDO, Neutral Third Decatonic
> 355.556¢ generator, Large step = 133.333¢, small step = 88.889¢
> Scale shape = LsLLsLLLsL
> 0\27 0¢
> 3\27 133.333¢
> 5\27 222.222¢
> 8\27 355.555¢
> 11\27 488.889¢
> 13\17 577.778¢
> 16\27 711.111¢
> 19\27 844.444¢
> 22\27 977.778¢
> 24\27 1066.667¢
> 27\27 1200¢
AKA "Beatles temperament", so named because 19/64 octave, or 356.25 cents, is a
good choice of generator.
> 3) Today the Wind Brought Regret
>
> 14-EDO, Subminor/Supermajor Enneatonic ("Anti-Orwell")
> 257¢ generator (rounded because 1200/14 produces complex decimals and I'm
lazy)
> Large step = 171¢, small step = 86¢
> Scale shape = LsLsLsLsLsL
> 0\14 0¢
> 2\14 171¢
> 3\14 257¢
> 5\14 429¢
> 6\14 514¢
> 8\14 685¢
> 9\14 771¢
> 11\14 942¢
> 12\14 1028¢
> 14\14 1200¢
>
> I'm sure there's a name for this temperament, but I don't know it.
It has at least two I know of--beep and bug.
On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 2:56 PM, Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...> wrote:
> I searched messages (from this year) to no avail for the tuning system
> called Beatles - excepting the short hand I can't interpet.
>
> Could someone be kind enough to post cents or fractions or the scala file text?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Chris
>
From: Herman Miller (2010-05-31) Subject: Re: [tuning] Re: Improvisation in 17-note MOS of beatles temperament Carl Lumma wrote: > --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "genewardsmith" <genewardsmith@...> wrote: >> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Herman Miller <hmiller@> wrote: >> >>> http://sites.google.com/site/teamouse/beatles-improv.mp3 >> I tried this file out on a ton of different programs and they all >> seemed to think it was broken, or at least that it wasn't an mp3 >> file. > > That's because it isn't an mp3 file, it's a phony Google sites > link. You've got an html page with an mp3 extension, which is > only 4K. You have to left-click and then download from the > subsequent page. -Carl That's strange, I wasn't aware of this problem (Firefox brings it up for me when I click the link). Maybe the main page would be a better place to start. http://sites.google.com/site/teamouse/
From: Herman Miller (2010-05-31) Subject: Re: [tuning] Re: Improvisation in 17-note MOS of beatles temperament Chris Vaisvil wrote: > I searched messages (from this year) to no avail for the tuning system > called Beatles - excepting the short hand I can't interpet. > > Could someone be kind enough to post cents or fractions or the scala file text? > > Thanks, I'm using a generator of 355.683 cents with an octave of 1198.236 cents. ! C:\music\scales\beatles17.scl ! 17-note MOS of beatles temperament 17 ! 93.30900 131.18700 224.49600 262.37400 355.68300 448.99200 486.87000 580.17900 618.05700 711.36600 749.24400 842.55300 935.86200 973.74000 1067.04900 1104.92700 1198.23600 There's room for some variation, as with any of these temperaments. One version is closer to 27-ET, and another is a subset of 64-ET (with a 19-step generator). The TOP tuning (which is one kind of optimal tuning) is P=1197.104, G=354.720, and the TOP-RMS tuning (another optimal tuning) is P=1196.642, G=354.908.
From: genewardsmith (2010-05-31) Subject: Re: Improvisation in 17-note MOS of beatles temperament --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Herman Miller <hmiller@...> wrote: > That's strange, I wasn't aware of this problem (Firefox brings it up for > me when I click the link). Maybe the main page would be a better place > to start. > > http://sites.google.com/site/teamouse/ > For me, most of the links are clickable, leading to downloads, but not "Improvisation in 17-note MOS of beatles temperament".
From: Herman Miller (2010-05-31) Subject: Re: [tuning] Re: Improvisation in 17-note MOS of beatles temperament genewardsmith wrote: > > --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Herman Miller <hmiller@...> wrote: > >> That's strange, I wasn't aware of this problem (Firefox brings it >> up for me when I click the link). Maybe the main page would be a >> better place to start. >> >> http://sites.google.com/site/teamouse/ >> > > For me, most of the links are clickable, leading to downloads, but > not "Improvisation in 17-note MOS of beatles temperament". Strange. Do any of the Pianoteq examples work for you? It could be something to do with the recent switch to Google Sites (but I tried it with IE and Safari as well as Firefox and don't have any problems with it). I put a copy up in the files section at http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/tuning/files/HermanMiller/ and moved the gorgo example that was there to my Google site. http://sites.google.com/site/teamouse/gorgo-example.mp3
From: Carl Lumma (2010-06-01) Subject: Re: Improvisation in 17-note MOS of beatles temperament --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Herman Miller <hmiller@...> wrote: > Strange. Not strange at all. You linked to a file with an mp3 extension, which redirects instead to a page with a link on it. -Carl
From: genewardsmith (2010-06-01) Subject: Re: Improvisation in 17-note MOS of beatles temperament --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Herman Miller <hmiller@...> wrote: > > For me, most of the links are clickable, leading to downloads, but > > not "Improvisation in 17-note MOS of beatles temperament". > > Strange. Do any of the Pianoteq examples work for you? The Pianoteq examples are fine. Gorgo has the same problem now that Beatles has.
From: Ozan Yarman (2010-06-01) Subject: Re: [tuning] Improvisation in 17-note MOS of beatles temperament A true Persian Chargah gamut opening, I think. There is at least one more maqam flavour in there, Ushshaq I suppose. Sounds chiptuney, then bluesey, and nice overall! 7-limit minor thirds are strong at times. Oz. ✩ ✩ ✩ www.ozanyarman.com On May 31, 2010, at 6:18 PM, Herman Miller wrote: > Well, I haven't been doing much actual music lately, but I've been > playing with different scales and tunings to get a feel for them. > Maybe > someone will get some ideas from this. > > http://sites.google.com/site/teamouse/beatles-improv.mp3 > > I start with the simple 7-note MOS of beatles temperament, followed by > the 10-note MOS (as two alternating pentatonic scales), and then a > more > extended sequence illustrating the variety of thirds from subminor to > major and neutral, giving this scale almost a blues-like quality in > some > parts. > >