Topic: A new JI scale

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From: Petr Pařízek (2005-11-23)
Subject: A new JI scale

Hi all.
Here I'm sending a new scale I made yesterday. It contains a part of the
harmonic series up to the 16th harmonic (i.e. from C upwards) and also a
part of the subharmonic series up to the 16th subharmonic (from B
downwards). The interesting thing about this is that I managed to "squeeze"
all this into just a 12-tone scale.
Petr

! harcb12.scl
!
Scale of 16 harmonics from C and 16 subharmonics from B
! November 2005 - Petr Parizek
 12
!
 15/14
 9/8
 15/13
 5/4
 15/11
 11/8
 3/2
 13/8
 5/3
 7/4
 15/8
 2/1

From: Gene Ward Smith (2005-11-23)
Subject: Re: A new JI scale

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Petr Paøízek  wrote:
>
> Hi all.
> Here I'm sending a new scale I made yesterday. It contains a part of the
> harmonic series up to the 16th harmonic (i.e. from C upwards) and also a
> part of the subharmonic series up to the 16th subharmonic (from B
> downwards). The interesting thing about this is that I managed to
"squeeze"
> all this into just a 12-tone scale.

Not only that, but a scale epimorphic with the standard val, and
constant structure. If someone wants to retune 12-equal music in a
seriously warped way, this would be one thing to try.

From: George D. Secor (2005-11-23)
Subject: Re: A new JI scale

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Petr Paøízek  wrote:
>
> Hi all.
> Here I'm sending a new scale I made yesterday. It contains a part 
of the
> harmonic series up to the 16th harmonic (i.e. from C upwards) and 
also a
> part of the subharmonic series up to the 16th subharmonic (from B
> downwards). The interesting thing about this is that I managed 
to "squeeze"
> all this into just a 12-tone scale.
> Petr
> 
> ! harcb12.scl
> !
> Scale of 16 harmonics from C and 16 subharmonics from B
> ! November 2005 - Petr Parizek
>  12
> !
>  15/14
>  9/8
>  15/13
>  5/4
>  15/11
>  11/8
>  3/2
>  13/8
>  5/3
>  7/4
>  15/8
>  2/1

Very nice! -- but unfortunately not new.  This is one of the two best 
13-limit JI scales I came up with over 30 years ago:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tuning/message/60761

And I suspect that I may not have been the first to find these.

--George

From: Haresh BAKSHI (2005-11-23)
Subject: Re: A new JI scale

Hi ALL, Similarly for the raga-s. Some very beautiful raga "comes" to
you, quite independently. But, later, you are told that the same raga
has been in existence already, having a different name.

The originality and creativity of the later recipient of the gift, of
course, enjoys the same status as that of the first one.

Regards,
Haresh.  


--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "George D. Secor" <gdsecor@y...> wrote:
>

> Very nice! -- but unfortunately not new.  This is one of the two best 
> 13-limit JI scales I came up with over 30 years ago:
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tuning/message/60761
> 
> And I suspect that I may not have been the first to find these.
> 
> --George

From: Gene Ward Smith (2005-11-23)
Subject: Re: A new JI scale

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "George D. Secor" <gdsecor@y...> wrote:

> Very nice! -- but unfortunately not new.  This is one of the two best 
> 13-limit JI scales I came up with over 30 years ago:
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tuning/message/60761
> 
> And I suspect that I may not have been the first to find these.

The Scala archive didn't have it, however.

From: Petr Parízek (2005-11-23)
Subject: Re: A new JI scale

Hi George.
You wrote:

Very nice! -- but unfortunately not new.  This is one of the two best
13-limit JI scales I came up with over 30 years ago:

Did you? And are there (somewhere) some recordings of music using this scale
then? If there are, I'd love to hear them. You certainly understand how keen
I am on music in these JI tunings, :)?
Petr

From: George D. Secor (2005-11-28)
Subject: Re: A new JI scale

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Gene Ward Smith" <gwsmith@s...> wrote:
>
> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "George D. Secor" <gdsecor@y...> wrote:
> 
> > Very nice! -- but unfortunately not new.  This is one of the two 
best 
> > 13-limit JI scales I came up with over 30 years ago:
> > 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tuning/message/60761
> > 
> > And I suspect that I may not have been the first to find these.
> 
> The Scala archive didn't have it, however.

How did you determine that?  In other words, how can one search for an 
unnamed scale or tuning in the archive?

--George

From: Gene Ward Smith (2005-11-28)
Subject: Re: A new JI scale

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "George D. Secor" <gdsecor@y...> wrote:

> > The Scala archive didn't have it, however.
> 
> How did you determine that?  In other words, how can one search for an 
> unnamed scale or tuning in the archive?

Use the "compare scale" command.

From: George D. Secor (2005-11-28)
Subject: Re: A new JI scale

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Petr Parízek  wrote:
>
> Hi George.
> You wrote:
> 
> Very nice! -- but unfortunately not new.  This is one of the two 
best
> 13-limit JI scales I came up with over 30 years ago:
> 
> Did you? And are there (somewhere) some recordings of music using 
this scale
> then? If there are, I'd love to hear them. You certainly understand 
how keen
> I am on music in these JI tunings, :)?
> Petr

No, I wasn't particularly interested in subharmonics as an organizing 
principle for tonality above the 5-limit, so I never used it for 
anything.

It appears, therefore, that you may still have the opportunity to be 
the very first to use this tuning in a composition (which I'd love to 
hear).

You could also check with David B. Doty at the JI Network to see if 
he knows of anyone who has used it.

--George

From: George D. Secor (2005-11-28)
Subject: Re: A new JI scale

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Gene Ward Smith" <gwsmith@s...> wrote:
>
> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "George D. Secor" <gdsecor@y...> wrote:
> 
> > > The Scala archive didn't have it, however.
> > 
> > How did you determine that?  In other words, how can one search for 
an 
> > unnamed scale or tuning in the archive?
> 
> Use the "compare scale" command.

Okay -- thanks!

-George